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- From: KMays@msn.com (Kenneth Mays)
- Subject: Borland/MicroSoft and Symantec C++
- Date: 17 Feb 96 14:49:41 -0800
- Message-ID: <00001a81+0000a2e4@msn.com>
- Path: news.msn.com!msn.com
- Newsgroups: comp.lang.c++
- Organization: The Microsoft Network (msn.com)
-
- Hi again,
-
- Do I work for MicroSoft (I wish), the answer is no. I took a serious
- analysis of what the companies were using and like someone stated
- "Borland is used by many programmers today." The reason being is that
- Borland C++ was pretty much the product available for schools and
- colleges, and Visual C++ lagged behind. Most programmers could find
- Borland's Turbo C++ in any computer store, but I have a HARD time
- finding Visual C++ in those same stores.
-
- So, my statements were to say that in seeing how MicroSoft wrote (or
- reengineered) Windows 3.x/95/NT and even MSDOS, I tend to favor their
- products (Visual C++) over something like Borland's (even though I DO
- think it is a little better overall). Honestly, each has its
- strengths and weaknesses, but that's like comparing Caligari
- TrueSpace vs. POV-RAY.
-
- Backing this up a bit, by research many programmers again us Borland
- C++ V4.5 since it is available and through "word of mouth" has become
- very widespread. I can go into many companies and somebody would say
- they use Borland. Companies in America are using Visual C++ V4.0
- mainly because of MicroSoft's name on the package. The fashion trend
- of "If its Microsoft's, its got to be good!" A side note: if you view
- many of my notes on this board, I always mention Geoworks and Dr.
- Dos. these were great products also, but got washed away by MicroSoft
- loyalists. MicroSoft just seems to have that effect in America (if
- they don't buy you out, they will crush you). Not to say anything bad
- about Microsoft, but they do have an edge when most of the PC world
- is using their products - if not for Unix!
-
- Again, I do tend to favor Visual C++ and MFC. Sorry if I crushed
- anyone's eggshells, but through 15 years of programming I have
- learned to watch MicroSoft (and just keep Borland around for
- compatibility). If you do some research, you will find that many
- companies are hiring for someone who knows MFC and C++, even though
- they mainly want several years of C/C++ programming experience. Then
- again, many of these avaition companies are hiring Ada95 programmers
- (but that is another subject).
-
- Now Symantec C++ V7.5x, although I so like the product I see it as a
- "me too" alternative to Visual C++. Let's say Visual C++ with
- "enhancement" patches. There is nothing wrong with buying this
- product, its good, but do ask yourself if you can find **BOOKS** on
- mastering the compiler (well, just use the ones for Visual C++ since
- they both use MFC). Compare Visual C++ V4.x with Symantec C++ V7.x
- and see if you need all those advanced features that Symantec offers.
- You are buying the product, make your own decision--its your money.
- All anyone can do is tell you their experience with the products out
- there (and I do like Turbo C++ for basic hacks, Visual C++ for
- product development).
-
- The point is this, Borland is available even at the "candy" store.
- Its pretty much tossed in your face if you take community/university
- college classes on C/C++ programming. After you tasted its nectar,its
- hard to let go. But, I advise ANYONE to give MicroSoft's Visual C++
- and MFC (MicroSoft Foundation Classes (or shortcut library patches
- for tired programmers)) a good stabbing, before plunging into the
- Borland scene. You will find a lot of support for BOTH of them. Just
- politics, man.
-
- Ken
-
- "If they told me I was going to Carnegie-Mellon to attend SEI, I
- would have told them I was a Harvard man and studied the law. Its not
- what they teach, its just the name that counts in the end."
-